SPRINGFIELD -- Adam Lee Hall called two of the men he allegedly killed "collateral damage," according to a witness at Hall's murder trial on Monday.

Karen Sutton told the jury in Hampden Superior Court that on Aug. 29, 2011, she had a conversation with Hall at her Pittsfield home in which Hall described where David Glasser, Edward Frampton and Robert Chadwell had been situated inside Glasser and Frampton's Linden Street apartment in Pittsfield before they disappeared.

Hall said Frampton was sitting at a desk and was on a computer at the time, Sutton testified.

"He said the guy on the computer picked a bad night to be on the computer," she told the jury.

Sutton recalled Hall telling her that the other two men were playing video games.

"He said they were collateral damage," she said.

She said Hall referred to Glasser as "the retard" or "the witness."

"David Glasser was on [Hall's] mind all the time," Sutton told the jury.

Sutton and her family were living in Hall's Pittsfield home and he would be over all the time, she said.

Prosecutors allege that Hall and two other men, David Chalue and Caius Veiovis, killed Glasser to keep him from testifying against Hall in another case.

Under cross-examination by Hall's attorney, Alan J. Black, she said Hall told her that a man named "Whitey" and two other "black guys" were responsible for the men's disappearance and that it was because Glasser owed them money for crack.


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He said they had borrowed a car and when it was returned there was blood on the back seat, she recalled him saying.

Sutton's daughter, 24-year-old Ocean Sutton also testified Monday. She said at about 5 a.m. on Aug. 28, 2011, Hall showed up at her family's house in a gold Buick. He then got into Veiovis' Jeep and left, she says.

Prosecutors allege this would have been a short time after the alleged murders and that the victims' remains were in the trunk of that vehicle. Two days later, she went to the Hells Angels clubhouse with Chalue -- whom she was in a relationship with -- and Hall and while there Hall burned a T-shirt and sweatpants, she said.

Under cross-examination, Ocean Sutton said this wasn't unusual because the clothing had the Hells Angels insignia on it and burning is the traditional way to get rid of Hells Angels clothing. She says she didn't see any blood or mud on the clothes.

Ocean Sutton also testified she was with Hall and Chalue the next day when they allegedly stopped on a bridge in Lenox Dale and Hall and Chalue threw some items into the Housatonic River -- a Price Chopper bag with some socks and a shoebox with some black sneakers.

Hall told her the items were old and he didn't need them anymore, she said. "The water should carry the items so they won't find them," she recalled Hall and Chalue saying.

She said she didn't see any blood or mud on the items thrown into the river.

She didn't initially tell police about Hall and Chalue throwing items out at the bridge because she didn't want to get involved, she testified.

Ocean Sutton told the jury that in early 2010 Hall approached her about Glasser -- whom he called "the snitch" -- and asked her to get Glasser to drive her to New Jersey and say he kidnapped her.

"I said 'yes' at first and then had a change of heart," she said.

She told the jury that she didn't want to testify. At one point early in her testimony, between questions from Berkshire District Attorney David F. Capeless, she rolled her eyes and gave her head a little shake.

Under cross-examination, she said she had an assault and battery case involving her sister, Rose Dawson, dismissed last year after Dawson didn't show up for trial.

The trial ended early on Monday to allow for a motion hearing to determine whether a prosecution witness, Eric Perry of the FBI, would be allowed to testify about mapping Hall's cellphone usage -- and that of others involved in the case -- just before and after the disappearance of Glasser and his friends.

Perry is a member of the FBIs cellular analysis survey team, which helps other federal, state and local law enforcement agencies with cellular data retrieval and analysis. 

In this case, Perry said he used information from Hall's phone records to help corroborate testimony through a process called "call detail record analysis," which uses cell tower, date and time information to help locate a phone user at any given time a call was made.

Black questioned the legitimacy of this kind of analysis, telling the court the rate of error, reliability and peer review aren't there and that Perry's opinion is tainted by witness statements he used during his testing.

Judge C. Jeffrey Kinder determined the methodology of cellphone tracking is reliable and that Perry is a qualified expert. He will allow the testimony.

The trial continues Tuesday.